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advice for choosing tall skinny conifer

nnmjdklil
9 years ago

Hello all-

Been a while since I was on this topic (Ken and Mike, you guys were kind enough to help me out with some of this at the beginning of summer and I'm getting closer to making my selections for a fall planting... next month?)

but anyway I'm checking out some more conifers for in front of my house that's basically bare now. One I'd like to get needs to be tall and skinny, or I should say I want it to be. Aesthetically speaking. I still like the DeGroot's but was wondering, how about a Juniperus Compressa? Seems like the pics I see of both trees show varying thicknesses. I prefer the *really* skinny ones of either tree but most pictures I find thru google searches show both of these as columnar but not super skinny, (as in oddly skinny). I really admire the oddly skinny ones though and was wondering if anyone knows why some of these 2 trees have that more extreme shape than others... Are the really skinny ones pruned to be that way? Does it depend on how much sunlight they get? Soil conditions?

Ken if you're out there and see this, I believe you had one of the Degroot's super skinny specimens in your yard, but I can't find the picture now and I don't know if my memory serves. I'd post some other pictures but they're not mine so... probably shouldn't do that. Anyway, planning on planting at least 2 or 3 dwarf conifers next month sometime, getting down to the wire for some decision making. Thanks!

Comments (12)

  • alley_cat_gw_7b
    9 years ago

    Heres another smaller compressa taken from this morning

  • alley_cat_gw_7b
    9 years ago

    And here is a degroots taken this morning. Hope this helps.

    Al

  • nnmjdklil
    Original Author
    9 years ago

    Thanks AL! So would you say the Degroot's is the taller tree? It's not just that the Degroot's pictured here is older than the 2 Compressas?

    And the bigger trees in the background of the first picture, those are Leeland Cypress? We have a bunch of them and ours look like yours only much bigger. Not sure how long they've been here as we just moved last year...

  • coachjohnsonlp
    9 years ago

    I am putting two very slender spruce trees in front of my house. Alternative Views:

    Picea omorika 'Pendula Bruns'
    Picea abies 'Rotenhausii'

    They take some time to get tall but can both get well over ten feet.

  • coachjohnsonlp
    9 years ago

    Picea omorika 'Pendula Bruns'

  • nnmjdklil
    Original Author
    9 years ago

    Wow Coach, those are both really cool trees. Unfortunately I don't have the space for either of them for where I'm looking to put this guy. Maybe in a few years when I'm done this area...

  • ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5
    9 years ago

    at about ten years.. my de groots are over 10 feet ... they grow about 12 inches for me.. with my MIs 5 months of winter ... read that .. ground frozen solid ...

    and my compressa is still under 3 feet ...

    twice it has lost half.. of it limbs and needles.. get this.. vertically ...

    once i think for lack of cleaning it out.. disease ..

    and then after 3 years.. it fills back in ... and then last winter z4.. kicked its butt ... so half lost again ...

    if it isnt obvious to you ... let me clarify.. you need one of each.. lol ...

    BTW ... at 10 to 15 years... it impossible to keep degroots single leader ... without removing duplicates trying to leader from all heights ... they are what makes the tree thicker.. over the long haul ... not hard to go 'a prunin' .... once a year or so ... just an observation ...

    i cant recall which version of the name joy preferred.. but look up Juniperus communis 'Gold Cone' as a yellow version orf the type .... it is more aggressive than compressa .. for me.. but not as much a degroots ....

    another that is very clogged inside... and mine took a hard hit a few years back in an ice storm ... of which.. i doubt you need worry about ....

    all three.. in a group.. planted about 5 feet on center... a decade or two... of bliss ... lol .. unless i can think of a blue version ... and them dump a duplicate of the greens ....

    ken

    Here is a link that might be useful: link

  • outback63 Dennison
    9 years ago

    You didn't indicate any height requirements but this conifer is a good fit from the information provided. So is 'Degroots' but with a different foliage less dense. Both should do well in your 7 zone.

    Juniperus communis 'Compessa'. A cultivar that maintains a very dense, compact, fastigate habit.

    Mine is 7 ft. tall and 10 inches at the widest point.

    Never been sheared but they can to promote tighter growth.

    Dave

  • nnmjdklil
    Original Author
    9 years ago

    OK so Ken, thanks for the info. So if I "go a-prunin" (hehe), I simply need to take off every separate new leader that shoots out? Or will I need to do anything to the sides as well? I'm more than willing to prune but I'm new still and don't want to make mistakes that would hurt the tree. I bought a Corona folding saw this year and also have old school Smith&Hawken pruners and loppers, but have been considering a pair of concave cutters too, after seeing some videos that show their good use on maples. And I keep my tools clean. Hopefully that's enough to avoid damage? I don't know what you mean by lack of cleaning it out/disease but it sounds menacing. What do I need to do for "cleaning up"??

    Also I love the idea of all 3 grouped together, might actually do that eventually..

    Dave, yes! That is exactly what I mean by "oddly skinny". Hope that's not an offensive description to you bc I love the shape of your tree. Hopefully mine will resemble that someday, whatever I choose. So yours hasn't been "sheared"-- does that mean like slicing up, all the way around, with hedgetrimmers? That sounds terrifying and I'm not sure I'd ever be brave enough to try it. A pruning here and there I can handle but the term "shearing" is giving me an entirely different visual.

    Gosh really I love your whole area there- it's kind of a dream for mine to look like that someday. Just beautiful. Are the other things there all dwarves too? Is that a mugo pine in the back left? And the golden thing on the left- some sort of hinoki cypress? I know I could be WAY off (I am really really new) but I am starting to at least recognize certain traits of these things. And I have a mini gold fern hinoki cypress in the backyard that looks like your golden thing but much much smaller.

  • texjagman
    9 years ago

    I love Picea abies 'Cuppressina', Sequoidendron giganteum Pendula ( the Dr Suess tree and one of my all time favorites ), and Cupressus sempervirens 'Glauca' ( classic super skinny Italian cypress ). I second the DeGroots but it just couldn't take my warmer Oklahoma zone 7 climate.

    Taking one slightly wider step but still very narrow would be Thuja orientalis 'Collen's Gold'.

    This fall I'm bringing in an Abies nordmanniana 'Pendula' and a Picea abies 'Rotenhausii' . Both unusual and very narrow.

    mark

  • nnmjdklil
    Original Author
    9 years ago

    Hey Mark,
    Each one of those trees is amazing but according to my quick google searches, much too big for my space-- except that last one. 'Rotenhausii', are you kidding me?? I LOVE IT.
    I might post another question to get more personal insight from others with the tree. The first 4 sites that describe it give different stats, hate that. Never know what to believe. Something eventually in the 10' tall range would be ideal but nearing 20' would be ok too. Not more than 5' wide and ideally not more than 2-3'.. But that shape! Ugh I love it. It'll be on the shadier side of the house but not super shady. Part shade I suppose, zone 7. All 4 sites did say full sun though so I may get this one for another area.

    Anyway, thanks for the heads up!